Can they list these reactive chemicals??? The exception is the Euro makers who are bracing themselves for the the latest Euro emissions and better fuel efficiency. So, if in fact it is hard to be tested via a lab etc my second question was posted on this board Redline has certainly proved itself at the race track. If I were driving very hard, Redline would be my choice. I hope this adds another dimension I guess with the millions of dollars in auto racing today they can afford it.
A car like the Corvette needs Mobil 1 or some other quality synthetic. do not use the redline in your tranny. What he meant was that they spike their formula to do well in four ball wear test. Synthetics work extremely well for me - tied to extended OCIs. Supposedly, this guys repair shop has seen a correlation between changing from Red line to any other transmission oil products and transmission failures.
THen repeat the test with Redline 20W50? I think Amsoil has a good line up of products but I hate twisted marketing to ignorant consumers! I believe only two responders came forward, one of them was or had switched to Schaeffers and the other started Redline after 100,000 miles. On the other hand, Amsoils regular line looks excellent, and quite competitive, against OTC synthetics.
I would like to test this just to see if their is any truth to claim that Amsoil does not do well in 4 ball after it has seen some use!
Maybe the sample size is too small. Amsoil will get the job done in 99% of most daily drivers, as will other oils, but if you have say a C5 and drive it hard, I would count on RL. automotive magazine writer, Hib Halverson has opinions on a lot of things. I do not believe in those tests. But please lose that four ball test (and for that matter, the Falex test). First, the obvious: Red Line bought some of the new Amsoil Series 2000 race oil and had it tested according to the ASTM D 4172 Wear Test under the same parameters Amsoil used. The chemical used he claims does not last long in the crankcase of a car. Dixie Synthetics
However, Amsoil/M1/Schaeffer's etc. I do wish that Amsoil would lose those four ball tests. I have had well over a million trouble free kms on Castrol RX Super for instance. He has actual experience in selecting fleet motor oils and he says that mostly mineral oils are being used in fleets.
The only thing that counts is where the rubber meets the road and although I don't care for Amsoil marketing I also have yet to see the following.
Amsoil has certainly proved itself in cars and trucks and if somebody drives a lot of miles Amsoil makes sense.
The fear of synthetics is due to entrenched suspicion and the worry that contamination will trash 40ltrs of newly changed high priced lubricant multiplied by the fleet size! Today, the leading brands of synthetic oil, including AMSOIL, Royal Purple, and Mobil 1 … How hard would it be for someone to run Amsoil S2K 20W50 for their normal OCI and then have it tested by independent lab doing ball test? He even helps out by giveing a name of a few companys that do the testing. I cannot even start to explain the complexities and politics facing engine oil choice in most fleets. Neither political machine spouts the whole truth and nothing but the truth. 1986 Ford Aerostar Van makes the perfect canadiate to test things in too. I'd like to see four ball wear test results with pre-sooted, new oil that has 3% soot in it. Testing in the real world is what really counts.We have one tribologist on this website, Terry, who highly recommends RL and sees more UOA's then all of us ever will. Hogwash!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But the story I hear today is that the big guys are using specially formulated motor oils.
But the author acts like it's the only test Amsoil markets with. Engine break-in. Like American politics. which must always end up as a positive in the cost/benefit matrix Just my opinion. I repeat do not use redline in your tranny. It's loaded with ZDDP, Moly and uses more PE base stock. Spectre......I agree with most of what you said. Tooslick
BTW, the Amsoil 15w-40 synthetic blend, "PCO", is an API licensed, CI-4 and ACEA "E5", 12+ TBN formulation, and is an excellent oil for extended drain use out to about 80,000 miles in OTR trucks .... Even with cam followers with out rollers I have never seen a wear scar of any kind with even old school Castrol GTX 20W50 so I doubt the 4 balls wear worthy rateing.
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